John Guy: The Children of Henry VIII



Covers all of Henry VIII illegitimate children Down to education households and influences So important in the later reigns who their earliest influences were And Henry s plans for their futures although ever changing but still in proofs of paperwork cited here Many pages are scanned documents of written materials for and from all five or six main players on this stage of succession Not to speak of their ministers clergy teachers and of course many painted and dated portraits of their visual appearances and conditions than the print would portrayHighly rec to all those who have a Tudor fix needSome things I heard suggested before about physical conditions in other books this book does far in forensics to investigate So many dithers I have read captured in fiction most certainly were not true For instance in Arthur s Henry VIII s brother death Or in why Henry with all that activity had such poor luck in offspring s health especially within the male lineSpoilers here Arthur probably had a testicular cancer starting at just 15 and a uite long and difficult end stage was not poisoned definitely not poisoned fiction has advanced this version There are blood antibody and factor incompatibilities between parents that insure only the first child of a Mother may have an uneventful pregnancy with a baby born with a full immune and blood production response of their own Henry was of a Positive blood group antigen nown as Kell It s uite rare enough that 90% of all women would be the opposite and Kell negative All his wives and most of his lovers were Kell negative if not all of them So the result that only 1 pregnancy would be a successful birth is nearly assured uote Thereafter the foetus would almost certainly be miscarried or stillborn because of the rare genetic incompatibility between the blood groups of the parents If so this was much Anne s tragedy as Katherine sHaving had ABO incompatibility I understand exactly what this is about But now the 2nd 3rd or 5th baby could have had blood transfusion exchanges after the birth This book s most excellent coverage IMHO is for his son by Mary Blount Henry Fitzhugh Henry had him in plans for succession uite strongly until that son s illness came to the fore Another strong difference from today as he could have been cured with antibiotics for his reoccurring lung condition and his early death prevented In Edward s case treatment would be different but dittoExcellent book too on the political considerations that s how they were appointed of the earliest Nannies and Tutors for these offspring Left in some strong measures to their Mother s appointments and associative dithers this stamped great flux upon the future Henry VIII s claim to the throne was historically on shaky ground as it was His children s literate and religious influences became far slanted to Great Britain s outcomes than foreseen in their babyhoodsI ADORE when the forensics people pull bones and artifacts and can tell us the reality of people we have read so much about Oftentimes the stories are so so different from the PR of their lifetimes or the fiction that comes centuries afterwards Henry VIII did NOT have a venereal disease His ulcers were due to osteomyelitis His obesity restricted his mobility as well This book is a well written factual account of the one of history s most notable families the Tudors What is interesting about his book is that it is about the personal lives and the family dynamics of Henry VIII and his family rather than a focus on the political and religious sentiment Don t get me wrong its still there but in terms of how the particular views of the time impacted upon each of the children For example the view of educating women at the time meant that Mary and Elizabeth had very different educations to that of Edward and Henry Fitzroy The attention to small details such as the differences in handwriting styles of the children is also interestingHenry s inconsistent treatment of his children is also very much a focus of this book How they were treated depended on whether their mothers were in favour or not at the time and this changed constantly But that was Henry all over he was a very fickle man Although most of the book is about the children s early years there is a birds eye view of each reign again concentrating on their personal lives I Betraying Beauty (Vegas Titans, know it s not fair to give this 1 star but this was the most dry and boring story I have ever listened to I had history professors that could teach history with enthusiasm and better ways of teaching history I needed a story about aing for a challenge and thought I would read up on King Henry VIII and his children It sounded better than learning about his wives I learned that King Henry really wanted a son so he could pass on the throne to him and I learned that a lot of the babies he had never lived beyond 1 year old I also learned he started becoming a adulterer and cheating whenever he felt the urge He did bare children but most were illegitimate but he figured out loopholes to make them his heir to the throne I tried my hardest to remember names and the women and who gave birth to which child but the narrator of this book was AWFUL and most of the time put me to sleepI was such a history buff in high school and college and thought this would be fun to learn about There is another author s version of this and I might try it and see if it s better then this one MAYBE I ll try it I am something of a Tudor history addict I m not uite sure exactly why I find myself picking up every book I see on this dynastic aggressive and ultimately doomed family They brought peace to England or should that be dragged England to a sort of peace Vrolok kicking and screaming and yet they were unable to retain the crown and not because it was grabbed from their hands like other dynasties but because they simply ran out of heirs So many of the things which make England different from other countries in Europe moderate Protestantism the concept of a national Church the almost complete absence of any sizable Catholic population and a Parliamentary system to which the monarch progressively abdicated power over the centuries all started with the Tudors The many marriages of Henry VIII are what most people think of but I m personally interested in why he had to marry so many times and also who these women were that he married And finally there are his children were they really as astonishingly intelligent as we are lead to believeThis book provided to me by netgalley was probably one of the better books on the Tudors I ve read It skips a lot of detail which can make Tudor history a bit tedious and goes straight to the heart of the story It is written in a beautifully fluid and clear way and I think it would appeal eually to Tudor nutters like myself and also those whose only grasp of Tudor history is the fat bloke who chopped off his wives heads It s a very accessible readI guess what makes this one so special is that it tries to cut to the uick and present plausible relatively new theories for some of the issues which have made the Tudor story so mythical Why did Henry s poor wives have such a dreadful time having children Was this normal for the period Did he have low sperm count or some other disease which prevented them from bringing pregnancies full term And what were the children of Henry VIII actually like I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and find myself looking at the main characters rather differently than I did before I even find myself sympathizing with Henry himself driven by desperation and so convinced of his own absolute power and intellectual capabilities that he was able to twist and turn centuries of religious precedent and impose it through sheer will and charisma Likewise both his daughters appear to have been permanently scarred by the tribulations of their youth but only Elizabeth was able to develop the sharp wit and moral ambiguity to survive Mary was simply too traumatized to copeLoved it 5 stars. Mother's divorce and her own unhappy marriage Elizabeth was the most successful but also the luckiest Even so she lived with thenowledge that her father had ordered her mother's execution was often in fear of her own life and could never marry the one man she truly lovedHenry's children idolized their father even if they differed radically over how to perpetuate his legacy To tell their stories John Guy returns to the archives drawing on a vast array of contemporary records personal letters and first hand accoun.

Some are born great I first encountered John Guy through his wonderful biography of Thomas Becket and I give him the credit for re awakening my interest in reading history after a lengthy gap As well as being a first rate historian he has the true skill of the storyteller managing to turn his thorough and ext John Guy every 4 seconds Just so you 僕の愛を知れ! [Boku no Ai o Shire!] know insertfemalehere was extremely uglysexy for a 13 year oldbeautiful and also all of her achievements really belong to the men around herAlso Anne Boleyn was an evil step mother but it s okay because Mary was an ugly hag anywaysNeedless to say I was unimpressed with the author s attitude towards Mary Elizabeth and pretty much all six of Henry s wives Actually I was unimpressed with his attitude towards most of the women he mentioned in the novel How is it that we get huge sections on Cecil Checke and Ascham s influence on Elizabeth s life but all we get on Kat Ashley and Blanche Parry is that they sometimes slept on a mat beside Elizabeth s bed Guy also made sure to pay particular detail to the appearance of almost every woman he mentions while conveniently leaving out such details for the men It got worse and worse throughout the entire book and by the time I got to the end of it I was sick and tired of Guy tearing down each and every woman Even Elizabeth arguably the one he spends the most time on isn t free of his constant belittling She only becomes ueen due to Philip II her tutors greatly exaggerate her intelligence and at the end of the day she s just extremely lucky The only time he speaks at all of a woman exerting actual power Guy either criticizes them for play acting like when Elizabeth feigns illness to avoid Mary s wrath and punishment for her alleged role in a rebellion or accuses of them of being the main force behind a man s distasteful actions Henry VIII executes Thomas More Anne Boleyn s fault Henry doesn t allow Mary to visit her mother It s Anne that witcheeping them apart Henry Fitzroy Henry s bastard son gets sick Don t worry there were a whole lot of rumors about him being poisoned by you guessed it Anne Not even Catherine of Aragon or Mary herself are free of this Whenever either of them attempt to exert power like when Mary tries to convince her brother Edward VI to allow her to remain Catholic she like Elizabeth causes a scene While I started out appreciating how Guy focused on Henry Fitzroy by the end of the novel the difference between how he treated Henry and Edward VI from Mary and Elizabeth was clear and just took away my enjoyment of the book Even Philip II Mary s largely unpopular husband was treated better than both of Henry s daughters in Guy s work However Guy does now how to weave together a good history and I definitely did learn from the book I could have easily given the book 4 or 5 stars if the author s biases and constant demeaning of the actions and roles of these historical women hadn t taken me completely out of the narrative All in all my actual rating for this book probably veers closer to a 25 but I bumped it up from 2 stars to 3 because it was an interesting read and did offer a couple interesting insights One of the central themes in the life of Henry VIII was his determination to secure his dynasty with a male heir Although it may not have turned out the way he preferred his children certainly were legends in their own rights John Guy portraits the Tudor children in The Children of Henry VIII not to be confused with Alison Weir s work with the same title published years previousFocusing on Henry Fitzroy Mary Edward VI and Elizabeth Guy s thesis is a bit lost Although not attempting individual biographies it isn t clear if Guy is demonstrating the links and relationships between the siblings or of Henry s relations with his children Both paths are covered but in a somewhat choppy way although the chronological study of the siblings in relation to each other at the same times is a positive characteristic Also surprising is the lack of detail provided by Guy he is usually Mr Detail and the short length of the book The Children of Henry VIII is best described as a brief summary often times with Guy cutting topics off abruptly The book is best for very new readers to the topic or for those simply wanting a uick reminder This lack of detail results in The Children of Henry VIII reading like a YA history piece versus targeting adults It is all unexpected coming from GuyAlthough the text is heavily notated much of it also contains speculation with heavy must have and would have statements where Guy s own thoughts and biases bleed through Also unwelcome are such descriptions as calling Katherine of Aragon Forty fat with no son which are clearly elementary and spiteful in the bluntest sense of the word On the other hand Guy also includes some research and detective heavy findings which explain events with clarity than some other authors and also debunks some mythsA strong note of The Children of Henry VIII is the focus on Henry Fitzroy Although readers won t learn much new information regarding the other offspring the spotlight on the Duke of Richmond is very pleasing as he is often ignored Some other areas of complaint include Guy s tendencies of striking off on tangents while stating facts with firm conviction which several other historians have uestioned as disputable and then never detailing or arguing for these comments A reader new to the topic will take these with merit and as hard truthsAs The Children of Henry VIII progresses it does noticeably increase in detail although the thesis is still hazy and seems like a very light biography Once again however no new information is discoursed making it better for new readers The main notable aspect is that the book is very readable It is easy to ready and yet flows smoothly even though the topic is disjointed The Children of Henry VIII satisfies those history lovers who are into a novel like flow versus a dry scholarly piece The ending of The Children of Henry VIII is relatively memorable however it lacks depth and detail similar to the rest of the book The work remains unclear in its point and continues to be firmly called a summary as it does not bring the Tudors to life and doesn t necessarily explore new information The Children of Henry VIII contains illustrations throughout the text plus color plates The sources used are respectfully credible and include many primary works However the notes aren t uite annotated Unfortunately not much can be said about Guy s work as it is so light The Children of Henry VIII isn t terrible it merely lacks detail and depth common to Guy s works It is a uick 1 day read and best for intro readers to the Tudor dynasty who don t want to be overwhelmed with facts Although a love her or hate her author I much recommend Alison Weir s The Children of Henry VIII over John Guy s piece B 75% More than Satisfactory Notes So list heavy that its titular characters are practically reduced to inventories of their gifts household staff and syllabi John Guy s short but shocking The Children of Henry VIII delivers on its promise of a story of jealousy envy and even hatred Yet the Tudor siblings seem indly when compared to their fratricidal usurping antecedents the children of Richard Duke of York And that I think was their mistake They were horrid to each but not nearly horrid enough Henry VIII s eldest child Mary Tudor in particular would have done well to have emulated such examples of Yorkist family feeling as Edward IV s drowning his brother George Duke of Clarence in a vat of Malmsey wine and Richard III s seizure of the Protectorship of Edward s twelve year old heir who subseuently disappeared in the Tower along with his little brotherFor the first three years of Mary Tudor s life she was an only and beloved child Nevertheless her father judged that as a daughter she was unfit to inherit his crown John Guy believes that for a time Henry considered making Mary s younger illegitimate half. Behind the facade of politics and pageantry at the Tudor court there was a family dramaNothing drove Henry VIII England's wealthiest and most powerful ing than producing a legitimate male heir and so perpetuating his dynasty To that end he married six wives became the subject of the most notorious divorce case of the sixteenth century and broke with the pope all in an age of international competition and warfare social unrest and growing religious intolerance and discordHenry fathered four living children each by.

Brother Henry Fitzroy his heir bestowing family titles of the boy and declaring he loved him like his own soul Fitzroy died aged seventeen but Guy gives us a real sense of the boy who while Mary proved the perfect student would escape his lessons to hunt and shoot Fitzroy too was passed over however in Henry s expectation that his second wife Anne Boleyn would bear a legitimate male heir When Anne bore Elizabeth in 1533 it was Mary who was the first to pay for Henry s disappointment as he had her declared illegitimate to ensure she took second place to her little sister In some of Guy s most vivid passages we see Mary aged almost eighteen obliged to live in the baby Elizabeth s household raging against her humiliations refusing to share a horse litter with her sister and insisting in taking the best place when they travelled by barge Only when Anne Boleyn lost her head and Elizabeth too was declared a bastard did Mary learn to regard her sister with affection even praising Elizabeth to their father Family relations improved still further after Henry s son Edward was born since everyone agreed he took precedence over his sisters John Guy gives wonderful details on the intimate friendship Mary later developed with her last step mother Katherine Parr But the family was torn apart once on Henry s death With Edward VI aged only nine his maternal uncle seized power as the Protector Somerset Richard III had seized the Protectorship precisely in order to prevent such a power grab by his nephew s non royal maternal relatives And watching what unfolded Mary might well have concluded that Richard had been right to do so Edward was to be raised in beliefs Henry had considered heretical while Protestant iconoclasts unleashed a period of cultural terrorism that puts the recent Islamist destruction of tombs and manuscripts in Timbuktu into the shade Mary fought to defend her father s religious settlement arguing it could not be overturned during Edward s minority But Edward was being encouraged to grow apart from his sisters When he died at the age of fifteen he excluded them from the throne on grounds of their illegitimacy complaining that Mary was a Catholic and that Elizabeth s mother had been an adulterous treasonous slut John Guy suggests rightly I believe that although Edward left the throne to his cousin Jane Grey it was her husband the teenage Guildford Dudley whom Edward hoped would rule England The son of the Lord President of his Council and with no royal blood Guildford was a man from whom his subjects could expect great things Edward argued Instead Mary I raised an army and took back her throne tried her rivals for treason and following a revolt cut off Guildford s head and Jane s also There was then just the problem of Elizabeth left to deal with and two possible means of Mary strengthening her position The first was to have a child so Elizabeth was no longer her heir But Mary s pregnancy by Philip of Spain proved to be a phantom Philip left the country and declined to return for a further eighteen months Guy describes Mary as reduced haranguing Philip s portrait before icking it out of the room in her anger and frustration The second means was for Mary to have Elizabeth executed Guy outlines a series of Protestant plots to replace Mary with her sister Mary s great grandfather Edward IV had had his brother Clarence drowned in that vat of Malmsey after a brief treason trial It might have been appropriate to have had Elizabeth strangled with one of the prim and plain dresses she wore to flaunt her pious Protestant opposition to Mary It was to be Philip Guy informs who helped save Elizabeth s life Anxious to prevent the throne passing to Mary ueen of Scots who was to marry the French Dauphin Philip insisted his wife protect Elizabeth s place as heir to the throne He would get his just deserts for this almost thirty years later when Elizabeth backed the Dutch revolt against Spain in the Netherlands and then sank his retaliatory Armada Meanwhile the bitterest moment for Mary came at her death in 1558 when she was obliged to confirm her hated sister as her heir in order to insure a peaceful transition of power Elizabeth showed little gratitude for her sister s last personal sacrifice She wore Mary s coronation mantle for her state entry into London the following year not in an act of sisterly solidarity or even to save a few pounds but rather Guy claims to dance on her sister s grave John Guy is that rare cross over the scholar who also writes for the popular market It shows here as he sketches with verve and fluency the education and beliefs as well as briefly the reigns of these last Tudors But where he excels is in illuminating the coruscating relationships between the suabbling siblings They say if you ve got lemons make lemonade and in Guy s hands the story of The Children of Henry VIII is fresh sparkling and sharp 4 stars instead of five only because it cannot match in scope Guy s longer works A version of this Review first appeared under my name in the Literary Review in 2013 John Guy is one of my favourite historians He is so thorough in his research his books are always fully referenced allowing the reader to check the sources for themselves and he writes in a very readable style This means that anyone from the casual history fan to a history scholar can appreciate his workFrom the title of this book I was expecting it to be mini biographies of each of Henry VIII s children in turn with very separate sections on each of them but it s not like that at all Guy looks Henry s family chronologically from the birth of Henry Duke of Cornwall in January 1510 to Elizabeth I s death in 1603 he tells their stories It works really well because the reader can see the interaction between Henry s children the relationships they had with each other As another reviewer noted on the book focuses on the early years of Henry s children and when it does cover their reigns it concentrates on the personal than the political except where they were intertwined There are plenty of books on Henry s children s reigns so I enjoyed this look at them as people and members of a familyThe book isn t a heavy tome It is 198 pages not counting the notes and bibliography so is a relatively uick read It gives just enough information without bogging the reader down with detail I loved the extras like the family trees the notes on units of currency and the photographs of letters written by Henry s children when they were young very interesting particularly the difference between the styles of Mary s handwriting and that of Henry s other children who were taught the fashionable Italic scriptIt is an excellent book and was a pleasure to read I recommend it to anyone wanting to now about Henry VIII s struggle to produce a legitimate heir his four children and the nature of their relationships with each other This book is non fiction and pure John Guy He is an ace at historical research and interpretation of data in the sense of written archival and other artistic paintings music poemsmaterials He doesn t stop there but approaches forensics and medical data too There are aspects of this book many readers who have previously read 10 15 30 or Tudor Dynasty years volumes would be surprised to encounter Not to speak of all the movies series or other Tudor related tales of fiction or interpretations of Henry VIII s children s lives set in those specific Tudor dynasty yearsRead in one night through a Spring sleet storm Chicago s Spring isn t this book deeply captured my attention In not only Henry s own lifespan but within the educations and progressions of his children s reigns I couldn t help but think how history would be SO different with the aid of a modern day geneticist or one good Pulmonary Specialist MD coupled with a few handfuls of antibioticsWould the Protestant Reformation have occurred in Great Britain as it did Probably But certainly not at such a scale and as uickly This book also. A different mother Their interrelationships were often scarred by jealously mutual distrust sibling rivalry even hatred Possessed of uick wits and strong wills their characters were defined partly by the educations they received and partly by events over which they had no controlHenry Fitzroy Duke of Richmond although recognized as the ing's son could never forget his illegitimacy Edward died while still in his teens desperately plotting to exclude his half sisters from the throne Mary's world was shattered by her.

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